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obcat 10 years ago on 03/13/09
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After seeing the Stewart/Cramer interview about the money markets and deceptive reporting, I was left wondering:

How does one distinguish between a Journalist, Editorialist and Entertainer?
To whom are you responsible and what obligation are you under to stick to the facts and tell "the truth" ?

IDEALLY:

Journalist - Just the facts, ma'am. No opinion, no spin.
Editorialist - Facts interpreted. Opinion shapes interpretation.
Entertainer - "Based on a true story" - facts can stop there.

Any thoughts?
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Nowhere Man 10 years ago on 03/13/09
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Journalist - Most any reporter writing a non-entertainment, non-opinion piece.
Editorialist - Bill O'Reilly...albeit his facts and opinions are interpreted so far out there that it's close to an entertainer.
Entertainer - Glenn "Crazy Eyes" Beck

Also, link to the Stewart/Cramer interview. Never assume anyone knows what you know unless it is actually public knowledge (sky is blue etc.).
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Happosai 10 years ago on 03/13/09
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Journalist - Extinct
Editorialist - Cherry picks facts and spins to support his/her existing viewpoint
Entetainer - Ever since we started keeping ratings on the news and running commercials? All of the above.
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Boudicca 10 years ago on 03/13/09
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Paging umaburk to this thread.
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Kumba 10 years ago on 03/13/09
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Journalist: Nearly Extinct; you can sometimes find them on the local news. Although even those guys are starting to slip opinions in. Specific specialists on the national news like Miles O'Brien and Jay Barbary for space coverage can fall into this category, since it's hard to spin that stuff (provided they stick to that category).
Editorialist: Names like Anderson Cooper, Larry King, Matt Drudge; (Locally) Mark Plotkin, Chris Core, etc..
Entertainer masquerading as an Editorialist: Olbermann, Cramer, Dobbs.
Entertainer: Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert.
Annoyance: Everyone on Fox News, Rush Limbaugh.


Starfire said:
Never assume anyone knows what you know unless it is actually public knowledge (sky is blue etc.).

What do you mean the sky is blue? You insensitive clod, it's purple!

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Nowhere Man 10 years ago on 03/13/09
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I'm colorblind. :(
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Matthew 10 years ago on 03/13/09
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This ain't no party
This ain't no disco
This ain't no foolin' around
No time for daincin'
Or lovey-dovey
I ain't got time for that now
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Nowhere Man 10 years ago on 03/13/09
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Bill O'Reilly said:
This ain't no party
This ain't no disco
This ain't no foolin' around
No time for facts
Or talky-talky
I ain't got time for that now
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Ratnax 10 years ago on 03/13/09
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Matthew said:
This ain't no party
This ain't no disco
This ain't no foolin' around
No time for daincin'
Or lovey-dovey
I ain't got time for that now


Jesus christ thank you.
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Matthew 10 years ago on 03/13/09
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I was actually pretty upset when I came in here expecting to talk about David & friends and things stopped making sense.
PS: To be honest the song I
PS: ... quoted plays pretty well into how I feel about the subject at hand, anyways.
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obcat 10 years ago on 03/13/09
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Matthew said:
I was actually pretty upset when I came in here expecting to talk about David & friends and things stopped making sense. PS: To be honest the song I PS: ... quoted plays pretty well into how I feel about the subject at hand, a...


I'm very, very, very sorry for misleading anyone. I couldn't think of a better title.
I've changed my hairstyle so many times... i don't know what i look like
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Happosai said:
Journalist - Extinct
Editorialist - Cherry picks facts and spins to support his/her existing viewpoint
Entetainer - Ever since we started keeping ratings on the news and running commercials? All of the above.


Good thoughts, all.

With that in mind, how do we educate people (who apparently need it) that people like Limbaugh, Olberman, etc. are not journalists, and are under no obligation to stick to the facts?

I'd like to think that people who think they are will harmlessly weed themselves out or blow themselves up due to ignorance, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Don't get me wrong, sometimes they promote interesting discussion, but their statements are often taken as truth. Like in the cafe on campus today, the "Senators" (Grumpy old white men table) were talking about bailouts or the economy, and one of them said, "Well Rush said..." and they nodded sagely, and nobody talked about seeing it on CNN, or reading it in the paper, etc. This is an every day occurrence.
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Horse's Ass 10 years ago on 03/14/09
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umaburk 10 years ago on 03/14/09
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Anybody who gets their news from television is a sucker. Read the papers.
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Johnny Landmine 10 years ago on 03/14/09
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Matthew said:
I was actually pretty upset when I came in here expecting to talk about David & friends and things stopped making sense. PS: To be honest the song I PS: ... quoted plays pretty well into how I feel about the subject at hand, a...


Have you seen True Stories?
 
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TrinitronX 10 years ago on 03/14/09
umaburk said:
Anybody who gets their news from television is a sucker. Read the papers.


All of my news comes from the interwebs
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Deathwing 10 years ago on 03/15/09
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Happosai said:
Journalist - Extinct
Editorialist - Cherry picks facts and spins to support his/her existing viewpoint
Entetainer - Ever since we started keeping ratings on the news and running commercials? All of the above.
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TheVegetarianZombie 10 years ago on 03/15/09
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I want to know why reporters and politicians can't be hooked up to polygraphs while they do their thing?

Seriously, can you imagine a presidential debate with lie detectors? Why has no candidate ever challenged his opponents to this sort of a forum?
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Kumba 10 years ago on 03/15/09
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TheVegetarianZombie said:
I want to know why reporters and politicians can't be hooked up to polygraphs while they do their thing?

Seriously, can you imagine a presidential debate with lie detectors? Why has no candidate ever challenged his opponents to this sort of a ...

Polygraphs aren't 100%, this is why their use in a court (in the US, anyways) is highly controversial, and it can differ from state to state on whether it's allowed at all, or if the decision is left up to a judge. It's difficult, but a person with the right composure and mindset can fool them (them being more the human administering the test, since they're always going to be better at seeing if someone is lying or not).
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Matthew 10 years ago on 03/15/09
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JZA said:


Have you seen True Stories?


In fact I had never even heard of it until I re-read this thread and Wiki'd it. But, uh, David Byrne and John Goodman? Yes, please.

And, uh, something about journalists. To keep it on the tracks. Damn those people!
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Johnny Landmine 8 years ago on 02/24/11
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Matthew did you ever watch True Stories? I feel like I'm due for a rewatch myself. John Goodman singing "People Like Us" is one of my favorite movie scenes of all time. "Dream Operator" is up there too.

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