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Otaku Chat “Magic the Gathering: Snapcaster? I hardly know er!” by Johnny Landmine

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Johnny Landmine 2 years ago on 02/27/12
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Brought on by the MTG chat that started to dominate Nerd World Problems about a week ago. I know there's an older MTG thread, but whatever, the most recent post in there is seven months old - meaning it was well before the release of the first set of Innistrad block - so I think it's safe to start a new one. I've only gotten back into the game fairly recently (about halfway between ISD and DKA), though I originally started around Ice Age and stopped around Urza's Saga. I'm really digging the current block, though flavor-wise I wish I'd gotten back in a block earlier because I really dig the Scars cards I've seen. Stuff like Birthing Pod would've blown my preteen mind.

I also play a bit online, though I've only got one modestly-priced deck there at the moment. Still, if anyone wants to play sometime, I'm HoppingGhost on MTGO. It'd be really cool to get a few OB Pauper games going sometime.

Anyway, nowadays I'm psyched because picked up a Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite for about 960 yen (a little under $12) a couple weeks ago; a couple days after that, she went up in price and now has a median value of $27 on magiccards.info. I'm just kicking myself for only buying one, since the deck I'm building now only really needs one Elesh, instead of the two or three the shop had left in stock.
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Johnny Landmine 2 years ago on 02/27/12
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Also, interest check: Would anyone be interested in trying a couple rounds of Three-Card Magic? It's a forum game wherein players come up with hypothetical three-card "decks" using (almost) any existing cards they like, and then a judge puts them through a series of games to see whose deck wins. It's about building combos, adapting to a metagame and anticipating threats in as limited a space as possible.

If there's enough interest, I'd love to try judging a round or two (ulterior motive: seems like great rules practice and a good way to review any notable cards I may have missed over the years). I'll post more complete rules and call for decks if y'all are feeling it. If not, no biggie.
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anonsequitur 2 years ago on 02/27/12
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Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
Triskelion
Voidslime

Do i win?
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Johnny Landmine 2 years ago on 02/27/12
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Gonna be hard with no mana sources!
PS: It also kind of defeats the purpose if everyone sees your "deck" before the judging/results, but that'll all get covered if people are actually interested in playing.
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Captain Fancy Pants 2 years ago on 02/27/12
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I figure the metagame will end up being:

1. 3 card combos
2. Force of Will. Blue card to pay for Force of Will and may have some utility/flashback/grave yard effect. Pay life to cast creature with evasion.
3. Straight up creature deck

3 card combo decks gets disrupted by Force of Will deck.

Force of Will deck will try to take out key cards in the combo and use the secondary cards to set up a win -- perhaps something more elegant than using creatures to beat down the opponent.

Creature decks will use creatures will alternative casting costs and useful abilities to go against the Force of Will deck. Basically having 3 creatures to that deck's maximum of 2 means that it will be able to eliminate 2 and still have one to attack with.
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Johnny Landmine 2 years ago on 02/27/12
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Yeah, I've seen a few threads in a few places where Force of Will ended up playing a huge part of the metagame. Phyrexian mana is also a pretty big player.

Different boards seem to handle it differently, but I've seen some that add all the cards (other than stuff like basic lands, moxen, etc.) from the highest-placing deck in a round to the overall ban list (which starts out fairly simple: No non-standard sets like Un-, Portal, Vanguard, etc.; Barren Glory; a few forced-discard situations) for subsequent rounds, which seems to keep strategies open while not locking it down to a set few cards you have to play for a chance.
PS: I keep accidentally making good plays on MTGO! I just got out of a game where I was empty-handed except for a Faithless Looting I'd just drawn, and I cast it hoping for more options... completely forgetting that I'd have to discard those two cards immediately anyway. Whoops. I was about to goof on myself for doing something stupid when my opponent complimented me on a great play and conceded; after casting the Looting, I had exactly enough counters on Shrine of Burning Rage to kill him.

Granted, I would've noticed, of course, but probably not until the next turn.
PS: Shrine of Burning Rage has won me quite a few games on MTGO because if I'm not forgetting it's there, my opponents usually are.
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The Naniwa Tiger 2 years ago on 02/27/12
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I should build a Pauper deck online. I have the program, but I've only done like 3 or 4 drafts.

Also, these are the rules I've seen for Three Card Magic at the Wizards forums: http://...wizards.com/...Magic_(under_new_management)?pg=1
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Allison 2 years ago on 02/27/12
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I still play EDH games on MTGO. if anyone else does, lemme know
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Johnny Landmine 2 years ago on 02/27/12
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Is there a good site or article series or something for EDH tips/strategy? It sounds neat but also really different from any MTG I've ever played.
PS: Am I about to sign up for a MoJhoSto (http://www.gatheringmagic.com/mojhostos/) league? Maaaaybe...
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Allison 2 years ago on 02/27/12
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This is the best resource I have found for EDH:

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=277927

in here are the basic rules and such, but more importantly, the deck database. So you can get ideas on how people build decks around their commander. Best place to start is find a commander in a color combo you like (I like Golgari) and build around it. It's so much fun!
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Johnny Landmine 2 years ago on 02/27/12
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Oh man, thanks! I'm already starting to get neat ideas for RG with my Huntmaster as the Commander. Unfortunately I have no idea if there is any local EDH scene or not, and I only have paper Huntmasters. May have to wait for DKA prices to go down online or try a cheaper "stand-in" RG commander...
PS: Too bad nobody gives decks goofy theme names anymore because how awesome is HUNTMASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FLIPPED SIDE OF THE WORLD
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The Naniwa Tiger 2 years ago on 02/28/12
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Great deck name.
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Dr. Taylor Lay 2 years ago on 02/28/12
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Man, Elesh Norn ramped up in price quick! It's because people started playing UNburial Rights in green black white and popping her out on turn 3-4, which is sick.


My 3 card deck: Memnite, Memnite, Memnite.



Bring it.
PS: Also, you should try out one of the official Commander decks! They're great starting points and the commanders they give you are SICK. :D
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Johnny Landmine 2 years ago on 02/28/12
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Oh duhhh, the Huntmaster of the Fells is not actually a Legend so there goes that idea!
PS: Okay, MoJohSto completely owns.

It's a Vanguard format that can only realistically be played on MTGO; decks all consist of 60 basic lands, plus the Avatars Momir Vig, Jhoira of the Ghitu and Stonehewer Giant. Here's what they do:

Tap any amount of mana and discard one card, and Momir gives you a random creature with a CMC corresponding to the amount you paid. The giant makes it so that all your creatures come into play with a random piece of equipment with a mana cost between zero and that creature's CMC-1. Tap three mana, and Jhoira will show you either three sorceries or three instants, one of which you can pick to cast without further cost.

The end result is that players have access to virtually every creature and equipment in the game - but only get to choose how much to pay - and virtually every instant or sorcery - but only three at a time. Close your eyes, cross your fingers and hope for something with landwalk.

A huge upside is that it lets you play with a staggering range of cards for relatively very cheap. Momir himself costs nine or ten tickets from most bots that sell Vanguard cards, or you can drop ten bucks on the official store for Momir and sixty basic lands. The other two avatars will run you half a ticket, tops.
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anonsequitur 2 years ago on 02/29/12
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Dr. Taylor Lay said:
Man, Elesh Norn ramped up in price quick! It's because people started playing UNburial Rights in green black white and popping her out on turn 3-4, which is sick.


My 3 card deck: Memnite, Memnite, Memnite.



Bring it. PS: Al...


Island, plains, Meddling mage. woot
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Johnny Landmine 2 years ago on 02/29/12
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By typical three-card Magic rules, decks would be kept secret until results are announced, so Meddling Mage would have to be a really lucky shot to stop the three-Memnite deck.

Been thinking about EDH a ton today! Still haven't put together a deck and played, but seeing as I like fun, theme-y deckbuilding more than the "this wins, so this is what I'm doing" patterns that Standard seems to fall into, and I enjoy looking for and buying neat cards but inevitably balk at the prospect of paying for full playsets, it seems like a bomb-ass format for me. Just this evening I was talking to another JET who's interested in playing some EDH, too.

Those with EDH experience - how viable are mono-color decks? Because I have an idea I'm piecing together, but I dunno if I'd be better off committing to the theme entirely or just using it as the main framework under a two- or three-color Commander who plays nice but adds more general options.

Also, seriously, more people come play MoJhoSto with me. So crazy.
PS: Ugh, Elesh Norn is still going up. Why didn't I buy more than one? I'd sell this one off but I really want her.
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Allison 2 years ago on 02/29/12
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I have a couple mono colored EDH decks. they can definitely work.

One of my best decks is mono green using Omnath as my commander.


I will have to check out this MoJhoSto thing. i love gimmiky games.
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anonsequitur 2 years ago on 02/29/12
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I'm working on putting together a mikaeus the unhallowed deck. Since it's mono black, it will work. Also, him as a general enables a couple infinite combos... that you can tutor out!


Ok, I guess it's not exactly a fair deck... but hey. I WIN!
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Dr. Taylor Lay 2 years ago on 02/29/12
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Sheoldred deck OP please nerf
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Johnny Landmine 2 years ago on 02/29/12
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Another thing I'm digging about EDH is the idea that I can use a lot a lot of the Tempest-block cards that I know are still sitting in a drawer back home, just waiting for my mom to realize I'm not joking when I ask her to mail my old Magic cards over here. I loved that block so much as a kid.

Also I need to find someplace local that'll give me a bulk rate on Relentless Rats.
PS: "I worry that what you just heard was, 'give me a lot of Relentless Rats.' What I said was, 'give me all the Relentless Rats you have.'"

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