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Fatty Talk “Cocktails” by Senator Hideki

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monkeyg0d 4 years ago on 07/21/12
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Rum Old Fashioned is pretty much my goto when I'm out in town. There's a lot of amazing cocktail bars here, even an Alice in Wonderland themed one, it's pretty slick.

Also just had a Blood and Sand made with this recently. www.gunpowderrum.com

It was pretty damned amazing.
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domminess 4 years ago on 07/22/12
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Dark and stormies are my jam lately.
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NomiJade 4 years ago on 07/23/12
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monkeyg0d said:
Rum Old Fashioned is pretty much my goto when I'm out in town. There's a lot of amazing cocktail bars here, even an Alice in Wonderland themed one, it's pretty slick.

Also just had a Blood and Sand made with this recently. www.gunpowderrum.com ...


Cocktail snobbery is the name of the game, which is why I even bring this up...
::Begin wine-fueled Cocktail Classic Rant::

If you have a Blood and Sand made with rum, it is not a Blood and Sand. I don't know what it is, but when you replace the scotch in a scotch based classic cocktail, it becomes something else. Next you're going to say "Man, I had the greatest Tom Collins made with Captain Morgan!" No, that is a Ron Collins. It has a name and does not cause confusion on what the drink is.

Find the proper ingredients and/or names for your drinks. I already cringe when I think of my Kraken and Canada Dry as a "Dark and Stormy" in my own head since it should be ginger beer, not ginger ale. That is my confession for the night, my quick and dirty Dim and Cloudy is a regular favorite. See that name right there, I made it up, instead of sullying the name of the correct drink. (Oh yeah, wine-fueled tonight)

You see how I'm letting that "Rum Old Fashioned" slide? It's against my better judgement, but since there is a Brandy Old Fashioned in some regions I suppose a Rum Old Fashioned would be possible. It's at least specific to the changed ingredient. As long as you're not muddling maraschinos in there. If you are, your knuckles should be rapped with the muddler. I think I already had that rant earlier in the thread. Sorry.

::End wine-fueled Cocktail Classic Rant::

... Thank god for spell check. Sorry about that guys. I'll go drink more wine now.

(Sorry, monkeyg0d)

Moderator Britishly Delicious Says:

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Float 4 years ago on 07/23/12
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Thank you Nomi, that's just what this thread needed.

Cocktail snobbery my ass....
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monkeyg0d 4 years ago on 07/24/12
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Fair call on the Blood & Sand I suppose. I dont know any better when it comes to those so I'll take that. It's what the bartender called it when I told him to make me something with the gunpowder rum.

As for the Old Fashioned though... I've seen them made with different spirits and as you mentioned there have been regional variants as well (brandy and gin), so I'll argue that the rum variant is "legal".

As an aside, was looking for other rum drinks today and came across something called an Imperial Mojito credited to PF Changs which sounds just fucking horrid. It made me very sad.
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Float 4 years ago on 07/24/12
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I pulled out my copy of The Savoy Cocktail Book (which I recommend everyone have), and indeed, changing the alcohol in an Old Fashioned is completely fair game.

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Britishly Delicious 4 years ago on 07/25/12
Diana, if you're reading this then I'm sorry, I still haven't been to Rivoli yet.
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NomiJade 4 years ago on 07/27/12
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Alright, but I still want my Old Fashioned with whiskey, preferably rye. I concede the point on that one.
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Float 4 years ago on 08/15/12
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I've been drinking:
- one part Scotch
- one part Bailey's
- one part Milk

Needs a name...
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team banzai 4 years ago on 08/16/12
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Britishly Delicious said:
Diana, if you're reading this then I'm sorry, I still haven't been to Rivoli yet.


GOD DAMN IT DAN.
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monkeyg0d 4 years ago on 10/20/12
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Bought some Black Seal Rum to make real Dark and Stormy's. Accidentally grabbed Sasparilla instead of Ginger Beer. Tastes like ass, do not reccomend.

Back to the store.
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Yvaine 4 years ago on 10/21/12
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Last night I mixed 1 part sprite with 2 parts cotton candy liqueur. So good.
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Senator Hideki 4 years ago on 10/21/12
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All I've been drinking lately is vodka and soda or vodka mixed with either citrus or some kind of cranberry juice.

I've got to say, though I love Kettle One best for vodka sodas or vodka tonics, this Tito's vodka (gluten free, though I don't think that's uncommon in vodka) is probably the cleanest, smoothest vodka I've had under $20/750ml, and I'd probably do shots of it over Grey Goose any day. Grey Goose has more flavor, but Tito's is just insanely clean.

Plus, Tito's comes in a clear bottle with a lable that makes it look like it should be hicksville $5 tequila. And it's made in TX (San Antonio, I think). It's just so many kinds of wrong that end up tasting so right!

I like the flavor of Ciroc, but it's grossly overprices. Honestly, anything more than about $21-$23 for a fifth of vodka is overpriced.

Crystal Head? One of the most overpriced boondoggles in hard alcohol I've ever seen. You're basically paying $25 for a cool-looking bottle plus $20 worth of $15 vodka. It's too harsh to be worth more.

Seriously? Fuck that skull right in the eye hole. Only strictly figuratively because I'm not shelling that much out to get a bottle to do it literally.
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monkeyg0d 4 years ago on 10/23/12
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Vodka/Soda is pretty much my go to when I'm out at clubs because I don't trust their bartenders to know what they are doing and its pretty hard to fuck up.

Try Russian Standard. Both the regular bottle and the Platinum are quite good imo. Also the Absolut 100 is pretty damn good for a 100 proof.

I also had the Smirnoff extra strength recently which was damn good as well.

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Senator Hideki 4 years ago on 11/30/12
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Anyone have any awesome recipes for hot alcoholic drinks/cocktails?

It's been raining like mad lately, and I'm single again, so I've been craving a nice "winter warmer" to keep me company on my long weekends (I have weird days off).

I've had hot toddies before, and liked one recipe (but I don't have it). Do you guys swear by anything to keep you warm during the freezing Philly/Chicago/etc nights?
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Dia 4 years ago on 11/30/12
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I plan on investigating some hot buttered rum recipes pretty soon, so if I find a good one, I'll definitely post it!
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Pete 4 years ago on 12/01/12
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The hot beverage I've been drinking spiced cider and whiskey. If you only have regular cider you can mull it with some cinnamon, nutmeg, and alspice or cloves depending on your taste. Spiced rum is a great alternative to whiskey.
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domminess 3 years ago on 12/25/12
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Long live the Moscow Mule.
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Fievel 3 years ago on 12/28/12
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Pushing up my glasses for this one. Even though it has already been said in this thread, I will reiterate:

A COCKTAIL IS NOT SIMPLY A MIXED DRINK!

A true, classic definition of a cocktail is a drink that involves liquor and bitters (or a similar aromatic).

The Old Fashioned is so named because somebody went to a bar and asked for one of those "old fashioned style drinks," which was a take on a sling. Back in the day, alcohol was not as tasty as it is today, and so it often had to be cut with sugar and, in some respects, fruit. But always the bitters.

I've recently been getting into Manhattan's, as I've started to develop a taste for whiskey. Bulleit Rye, Peychaud's bitters and a decent vermouth with an orange twist makes me a happy camper.

Also, as for the shaken vs. stirred argument that I don't think I've seen happen yet, the only reason for stirring instead of shaking is because you're using clear liquids and you don't want the drink to get cloudy. You shake a drink that uses fruit juice because you want it to fully incorporate and it'll be opaque anyway. You stir a martini because it is entirely spiritous and it should be transparent. If you were to shake it, you'd get bits of ice floating around and it would not longer be perfectly clear.
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Senator Hideki 3 years ago on 01/04/13
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My understanding is that, way back when, the "shaken not stirred" idea was based on a (fatuous) claim that stirring "bruised" the liquor.

Or something ridiculous like that.

Shaking seems more likely to affect a change in the flavor of the alcohol by exposing a much high ratio of air to the liquid. And even then, I'm pretty sure most hard alcohols aren't noticeably affect in taste by either.

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