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coopaloop 2 years ago on 07/11/12
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So I've decided I'm ready to give up Lawyering...it's definitely not as fun as it should be, I also don't want to die by age 30 which is where I'm headed. So I need tips on job searching. I tried Monster.com and craigslist and have come away feeling pretty unfulfilled. Does anybody have any tips or good websites to look at?
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tachikoma 2 years ago on 07/11/12
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Can you give us an idea of what type of field you are looking to move into?
 
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Spike-o 2 years ago on 07/11/12
Come to dc and be legal advisor
PS: Get $$ and you finally get 9 to 5.
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coopaloop 2 years ago on 07/11/12
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I just want out of law. I wouldn't mind going into advertising or marketing, or admissions work. Beyond that I don't really know what I want to do, I'm pretty open to just finding something better than law.
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WWNSX 2 years ago on 07/11/12
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I think advertising and marketing is as cutthroat as being a lawyer.

I even applied to a position that had a ad that was for a marketing firm but wasn't worded as such. I got an interview but I couldn't make so I called them back to cancel and they were extremely rude over the phone.

I'm not sure if all marketing or advertising firms are that way but it was a major turn off. It can't all be like Mad Men either.

You could work as a lawyer for the EFF.

If you have a hobby you're passionate about maybe something in that field would be better for you.

Isn't their different fields in law though? Like copyright and patent? Maybe changing to one of those would be better.
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NomiJade 2 years ago on 07/11/12
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Modern job searches have moved away from the Monster model, so you're going to want to make sure you have a LinkedIn page. Networking is the best way to approach the job search.

One of the best things to do is start a list of target companies - then your network has an idea of what type of environment you're looking for and can help you find opportunities. Do you want a big safe, boring, reliable place? Do you want the risk and reward of small and rapidly growing with more room to be yourself? What industries are you looking to work in? Both as your role and the company's over all product - after all you may want to be PR, but maybe you want to do it within the medical industry for a large company that can offer you reliable benefits, which would be very different than doing PR for a growing internet search engine start up.

Make sure your LinkedIn profile is at 100%. Otherwise you'll be lower in searches and usually missed entirely. Make time to network - both online and in person.
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tachikoma 2 years ago on 07/12/12
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Actually, speaking of networking... does anyone have good tips for that?
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Barney Stinson 2 years ago on 07/12/12
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I didn't read this thread, but you could try webcam whoring!











Or game tester!
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coopaloop 2 years ago on 07/12/12
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Thanks WWNSX and Nomi, I'll definitely give some deep thought to trying to target what it is I like and want to do and will update my linkedin.

Christine are you still in LA?
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Barney Stinson said:
I didn't read this thread, but you could try webcam whoring!











Or game tester!


Doesn't pay enough...sadly
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Barney Stinson 2 years ago on 07/12/12
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uhhhh cam whoring does not pay enough? People make a LOT of money doing that.
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tachikoma 2 years ago on 07/12/12
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hahaha @ gavin. coop: i am in LA, for 2ish more months only tho!
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Peabody 2 years ago on 07/12/12
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Go to D.C. and work for the SEC, they're hiring people with law degrees as advisers left and right.
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Devil Fruit Bubble Tea 2 years ago on 07/12/12
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Depending on how much time you have now, decompress by doing some gardening and some time at the gym. It sounds like you might just need a break, but refresh yourself before going on a dash for a new career.

Learn a new language and try your hand at conference crashing to boost your networking. Do you have business cards with just your basic contact details?
 
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lend 2 years ago on 07/13/12
Okay I've been down this road as a fresh college grad several years ago so let me tell you my experience so that, hopefully, you have an easier experience. The job market was crashing when I was looking for a job. There was so much competition ... it was crazy out there... *shivers*

1) Apply for EVERYTHING you're qualified for. It doesn't cost you money to submit an application for a job and you should have a lot of time in your hands, so tailor a resume for a different job listing.

2) Tailor your resume for the job you're applying for. Put yourself in the recruiter's shoes. See what he's looking for and redesign the resume so that you sell yourself to him. Ultimately, it's all about selling yourself to your potential employer. So avoid talking about stuff bad about you and focus on what's good about you. Now is not the time to be technically correct about everything... but don't lie either.

3) Be confident in your abilities. Being humble and modest is always an awesome thing but toss all of that out the window during the job interviews and job application processes. Exhibit confidence and that can-do attitude in your resume. That's what employers are looking for. However, don't come off as arrogant.

4) I find that stable college-level jobs are generally not found on craigslist, so use that only if you need to fill your stomach/otaku needs for the short-term. Instead, use job search engines out there (indeed.com, simplyhired.com, monster.com, etc) and newspaper listings. Don't limit yourself to a single engine since it's free anyways.

5) If someone does call you and does a phone interview, be sure to follow up on the interview after a few days, both to thank them for the interview and to show that you care.

6) Research the company before you craft your resume or do the interview. You're pretty much going to fail if you don't know what the company does or what what the position you're applying for does.



Hope this helps, if you need more help just shoot me a message.
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Nostalgia 2 years ago on 07/14/12
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California has a pretty shitty job market right now, so your chances are going to improve a bit if you're willing to relocate. I live around anaheim for about a year, and out of ~300 resumes/apps I had one interview. I nailed the interview, got the job, and a few days before my start date was told that HR changed their mind and decided they didn't have enough money to bring on another employee. This was for marketing/sales.

That being said, make sure your resume stands out. Make it short, to the point, and so that it highlights why you're the shit. Tailor it to each individual job listing. Be confident. In the interview, hold the mindset that you already have the job. No matter how many doubts you have, be confident in your ability to excel.

I did most of my job searching via career builder. A solid chunk of applications were also via company websites. Do some research into the field you're looking for and compile a list of mid-to-top tier companies. Look into the companies, try to get in touch with employees, do some digging, and apply to open job listings.

I finally hit gold with a temp agency. This particular job was temp to hire. I had applied to a posting months beforehand for a pretty mediocre temp job. They called me in for a different temp job, and ended up interviewing me for a completely different temp-to-hire job that ended up being the gig of a lifetime. So keep an eye out for professional level temp agencies. It might take a while to forge a relationship at the beginning, but once you do they'll take care of you.
PS: Your biggest hurdle will probably be experience. That's why professional-level temp agencies are such a great tool. They might not lead to a career, but they're a great way to build a resume.
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espionage 2 years ago on 07/14/12
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I too made the terrible life choice to be an attorney. Worse, I graduated/passed the bar in 2009. It took 2 years of temp jobs and thousands of applications to ultimately land a permanent position - so this is an issue close to my heart.

In my experience you get VERY low returns applying online via company sites and via monster/linkedin/craigslist. I'm talking 3 interviews for 1000 applications. Re-entering your resume into the forms was always a considerable time sink. Company websites (and USAjobs) are so bombarded by volume that its more about gaming the algorithms than actual substance. Odd are your resume will never be see by human eyes. Legal recruiters also left me cold - there are plenty of shady employers doc review agencies, etc taking advantage.

In my experience has an unemployed person of somewhat similar background, the only online site that ever resulted in a reasonable number of interviews was the Law school Alumni
University job site. Only recruiting employers take the effort (unlike standing posts on other sites), they are typically local, and the vast masses are excluded, In our case there was a segment for experienced professionals. Other than that my only advice would be:

A: Get in touch with a corporate client who liked you
B: Leverage your personal network to get introductions

Everyone I know in-house or in other post-firm positions did it through a personal connection of some sort. These days I work full time for the state court system. Its not lawyer money, but its not lawyer pressure. Message me and I'd be happy to tell you all about it.

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