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News & For Sale “"How Junk Food Can End Obesity"” by Kirei the Klown

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Kirei the Klown 6 years ago on 06/26/13
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I just finished reading this somewhat lengthy article criticizing the hardcore whole foods movemet and anti-obesity campaigns for discounting or ignoring what good food manufacturers/retailers/restaurants can do for the population just by making incrementally healthier offerings. Just from a behavioral science aspect, asking people to make drastic dietary changes is going to backfire - but offering something a little better, without making a big show about it, can help chip away at deeply ingrained overconsumption of junky foods.

http://...theatlantic.com/...ood-can-end-obesity/309396/4/

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We can keep pushing our health-care system to provide more incentives and support to the obese for losing weight by making small, painless, but helpful changes in their behavior, such as switching from Whoppers to turkey burgers, from Egg McMuffins to Egg White Delights, or from blueberry crisp to fruit-and-yogurt parfaits.

And we can ask the wholesome-food advocates, and those who give them voice, to make it clearer that the advice they sling is relevant mostly to the privileged healthy—and to start getting behind realistic solutions to the obesity crisis.


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A Study in Pink 6 years ago on 06/28/13
This is a great article, and it takes a refreshing stance of trying to make decisions on how people actually have been documented to behave, instead of just telling people how to change their lives.

I have noticed a lot of hypocrisy from the "advocates" for healthy eating, a few examples are given in the article, and it's made me skeptical of the whole movement, which is often idealistic and therefore unrealistic.

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No sooner had McDonald’s and Burger King rolled out their egg-white sandwich and turkey burger, respectively, than a spate of articles popped up hooting that the new dishes weren’t healthier because they trimmed a mere 50 and 100 calories from their standard counterparts, the Egg McMuffin and the Whopper. Apparently these writers didn’t understand, or chose to ignore, the fact that a reduction of 50 or 100 calories in a single dish places an eater exactly on track to eliminate a few hundred calories a day from his or her diet—the critical threshold needed for long-term weight loss.


This is such an amazingly great point, and it's often frustrating when these sorts of actions are widely mocked.


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Amanda 6 years ago on 06/28/13
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I think the author employs somewhat of a strawman fallacy, because I haven't actually seen a health "guru" advocate for drinking ANY calories (especially in fruit juice) or dismiss lower-calorie options that are convenient to dieters.
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nategri 6 years ago on 06/28/13
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Yeah.

While I am 100% behind some of his thesis (science and technology are good mmmkay?), I think he either doesn't understand some of this stuff or is working really hard to cram the actors of this piece into the narrative he wanted.

This powerful, bullying natural foods movement he's indicating seems to be a total fiction. If you're most of America, you haven't heard of it at all, and thus Big Snaxx doesn't care about it either. That dog don't hunt.

He also seems to have completely misconstrued the corporate psychology behind offering healthier options. These businesses are faced with either being able to sell food to the health-conscious minority, or not being able to sell food to them. Guess which one they chose? This 'balancing act' he alludes to only comes into play because they are trying to please two sets of minority consumers with the least amount of effort. The main high-fat, high-sugar items aren't going anyfuckingwhere, and are only occasionally updated so that they just barely outpace complete outrage over their nutritional profile.

Those criticisms aside, the main thrust (that the current food distribution infrastructure is a potentially powerful lever to cure obesity) remains totally valid. However to use this lever we're going to need either A.) a complete sea change in what it is that the majority of people want from their fast food and snacks, or B.) some heavy-handed government intervention. Two perfectly valid and equally impossible ways to proceed.
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fukkake 6 years ago on 06/29/13
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The only way obesity in this country will take a turn for the better is if good habits 1) start early and stay in place throughout development 2) start with the food industry making health foods less money and fatty foods more 3) and exercise becomes fun and something EVERYONE is doing.

America is not that country.

Fast food has it in a choke hold and no one seems to mind. Except an overburdened healthcare system that cannot take care of all of our unhealthy people. You may think that the healthcare system LOVES all these unhealthy people but talk to any MD,DO whatevers and they just want to kill themselves.
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Johnny Landmine 6 years ago on 06/30/13
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nategri said:
Big Snaxx, "Dog Don't Hunt"


Okay, how did you find out about my secret rap project

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the.avidpedestrian 6 years ago on 06/30/13
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I think that one of the better points was that a lot of people don't have the financial ability to buy unprocessed food. A lot of people live in neighborhoods where three meals of fresh fruit and veggies would cost the same as a week's worth of more processed food.
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John Booty 6 years ago on 07/01/13
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...or they may have enough money to afford fast food, and therefore fresh food, but simply don't have access to fresh food in their area.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert

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these writers didn’t understand, or chose to ignore, the fact that a reduction of 50 or 100 calories in a single dish places an eater exactly on track to eliminate a few hundred calories a day from his or her diet—the critical threshold needed for long-term weight loss.


This is certainly true, but it's only going to add up to "a few hundred calories a day" if somebody's eating three meals a day at one of these places -- at which point they'd already be in a world of nutritional hurt despite a small improvement.

So yay for small improvements, and "boo" to elitist fresh-food snobs who turn their noses up at these small improvements, but maaaaan this is so far from a solution that it's hard to be excited about it.
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Kirei the Klown 6 years ago on 07/01/13
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I agree that they're small pieces, but it exemplifies what LOTS of food companies are working on all the time these days but basically don't advertise because they don't want to lose sales due to perceptions that healthier = tasting awful. Some items won't change; some will only change a little; new offerings may be better as they are introduced. It's still profit-motivated and it's very tiny steps, but it's better than nothing at all.
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John Booty 6 years ago on 07/01/13
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I'm a lot more excited about (stealthily, or otherwise) healthier processed foods than I am about healthier fast foods.

Processed foods can be a part of a healthy diet much more realistically than the unholy amounts of beef Whoppers you'd have to replace with turkey Whoppers in order to see an appreciable difference.

Kudos to people like you for being a part of making it happen!
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Cognac Jack 6 years ago on 07/10/13
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The whole "processed foods are killing us" thing has gotten old.

We've had fat and unhealthy people throughout our history and a obesity problem is more due to the fact that people in general have more access to food than ever before.

All that being said of course natural foods are healthier but what I'm seeing like in the case of my aunt is a person who's spending $5-$10 dollars more on an "organic" or "natural" food item but consumes the same amount and sometimes more than she would of if she'd brought the processed version. Therefore she's not losing weight and spending more money.

Eating less, moving more is the only key to weight loss, as long as you get all the nutrients your body needs it almost doesn't matter the source or how it was made.

All that being said, I personally try to buy as natural as I can, but you better bet I'll buy a canned version of anything and give me corn-feed cows and pigs any day.
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Amanda 6 years ago on 07/11/13
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guess what, there's no magic bullet for weight loss!

I also don't consider fast food to be default "junk food" because hey an egg mcmuffin w/o meat was a fucking LIFESAVER when I was dieting. Under 300 calories for a filling breakfast? I was there like 3x a week, easy.

Potato chips are not going to end obesity, but increased availability of ready-made and satiating food could have an impact is what I'm sayin.

Fuck your canned veggies btw.
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fukkake 6 years ago on 07/12/13
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Amanda said:
uess what, there's no magic bullet for weight loss! I also don't consider fast food to be default "junk food" because hey an egg mcmuffin w/o meat was a fucking LIFESAVER when I was dieting. Under 300 calories for a filling breakfast? I was there li...


Exactly. Giving people healthier choices and even the idea of eliminating bad choices altogether is not going to magically make obesity go away. It helps but no one wants to hear the "good diet and exercise" mantra. This country is lazy and while I commend the healthier choices movement we still have a long way to go.
PS: For example, Chik-Fil-A just came out with a series of salads that look amazing. However, those salads are still topping out at 500 calories or more a piece. I can get their grilled chicken sandwhich and make my own little side salad for MUCH less calories.
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Amanda 6 years ago on 07/12/13
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My point is not that people are too stupid & lazy to exercise more and eat less. My point is that even that is not the magic bullet for someone to recomp their body.
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fukkake 6 years ago on 07/12/13
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I believe that is my point as well. So, yeah.
PS: I am agreeing with you damnit.
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John Booty 6 years ago on 07/12/13
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Better diet and exercise really kind of are the magic bullets. The problem is that people have greatly varying levels of access to these magic bullets.
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fukkake 6 years ago on 07/12/13
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Amanda said:
My point is not that people are too stupid & lazy to exercise more and eat less. My point is that even that is not the magic bullet for someone to recomp their body.


Actually I am not agreeing with you after rereading. A good diet and regular exercise are the only magic bullets to leading a healthy life.
PS: Genetics also helps.
 
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bixy 6 years ago on 07/12/13
I personally am a strong believer in that people try to hard to be live a healthy life, whenever you see anyone trying to live a healthy lifestyle they quite everything and only eat healthy foods. I feel like you should keep doing what you do and just throw in nutrients and little exercises and slowly work your way to the healthy life style.

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fukkake 6 years ago on 07/12/13
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There needs to be a much bigger push (I see Philly moving forward with this with programs like Phillabundance) to get more produce, health foods and educations on how to use those foods to poverty stricken individuals. Having healthier options for people who do not have access to grocery stores or the means to buy healthier food at those stores is good but it is not really an answer, just a quick fix. With the shittier options still available and not enough push/education on how to take care of yourself and be healthy it really does a whole lot of nothing to help obesity.
 
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bixy 6 years ago on 07/12/13
i agree, with a bigger push and constantly being educated on it maybe it can become more of a norm rather than, a person only eating healthy to loose weight

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