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News & For Sale “AOL shuts down Winamp for good” by Ulyth

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Ulyth 5 years ago on 11/21/13
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http://arstechnica.com/...-aol-shuts-down-winamp-for-good/



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Winamp.com and associated Web services will no longer be available past December 20, 2013. Additionally, Winamp Media players will no longer be available for download. Please download the latest version before that date. See release notes for latest improvements to this last release. Thanks for supporting the Winamp community for over 15 years.

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Lord Not-To-Fucked-With 5 years ago on 11/21/13
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did realplayer finally win?

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nategri 5 years ago on 11/21/13
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RIP.

Now can we turn this thread into a discussion of the endless shitshow that is iTunes?
PS: Actually I'm curious about what people use. I'm 100% Spotify these days, even though it's clunky and the UI needs a dang makeover.
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DevCore 5 years ago on 11/21/13
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I've been using foobar2000 lately. Super light weight on your computer, even compared to Winamp. It's super customizable but that also makes it hard to use right out of the box. Which kept me from using it for a long time.

I use Spotify for music that I want to check out, fads and kicks.
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Princess Shoujo Maiku 5 years ago on 11/21/13
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nategri said:
RIP.

Now can we turn this thread into a discussion of the endless shitshow that is iTunes? PS: Actually I'm curious about what people use. I'm 100% Spotify these days, even though it's clunky and the UI needs a dang makeover.


I buy music on iTunes, and I am firmly planted in Apple's sandbox. And I am okay with it.
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Matthew 5 years ago on 11/22/13
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I use a combination of Google Play All Access and Last.fm for my music needs.
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John Booty 5 years ago on 11/22/13
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I really like iTunes! I like Foobar2000 approximately 1% better than iTunes, but it's 500% more work to get set up the way I like it. And I'm usually working in OSX so Foobar doesn't get much use these days.

I don't like how current versions of iTunes hide the sidebar by default, but you can turn it back on via the View menu.

I don't buy music through the iTunes store, though that's almost irrelevant since they got rid of all the copy protection years ago -- any music bought in iTunes since 2009 or so will play pretty much anywhere.

Things iTunes does that I like:

1. Easy to use smart playlists

2. iTunes in the Cloud or whatever it's called. Having my music in the cloud is nice but you can also use it to upgrade all your shitty 128kbps mp3s from Napster to sweet 256kbps AAC files that are not copy-protected (although they do have your email address embedded; strip that out before you share them.)

3. Easy to pipe music to my Airport Expresses. You can get them used for like $40 and stream music around your house w/ no loss of quality.

4. I have an iPhone, so yeah that's kind of a no-brainer. I'm not trying to fuck with another way to sync that.

Nick The Newbie said:

Winamp is what I use to play NSFs, VGMs, SPCs, etc....


So this is obviously not ideal from a disk space standpoint, but I use Foobar to convert those to ~192kbps VBR mp3s.
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Ulyth 5 years ago on 11/22/13
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"Microsoft In Talks To Buy Shoutcast And Winamp From AOL"

http://www.broadcastingworld.net/news/view-476/

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Looks like the llama may not get off so easily after all. AOL yesterday announced that it was shutting down Winamp, media playing software for Windows and Android devices that it picked up through its 1999, $80 million acquisition of Nullsoft in 1999. But today Techcrunch has learned that AOL is talks with Microsoft to sell Winamp, along with Shoutcast, a media streaming service also developed by Nullsoft. We have also learned that AOL has been planning to announce the closure of SHOUTcast next week.

AOL has declined to comment for this story, and we are still waiting to hear back from Microsoft with a response. From what we understand, the deal is not yet finalized, with AOL and Microsoft still working out the price. It could also be very wishful thinking from those intent on trying to save both services.

AOL did not give any guidance yesterday on what would happen with Shoutcast.
If this is correct, it would represent an interesting, and strange, twist in the story.
On the AOL side, it’s fairly clear why AOL is closing down Winamp and SHOUTcast, and it makes sense why it would want to sell both.

As an owner, AOL has never given much of a strong direction to the products, at a time when other digital music companies have been building up audiences and evolving technologies (although, as we pointed out earlier this week when writing about Rdio layoffs, the digital music business is tough). It has already shuttered and sold off other music assets as part of a bigger strategic shift to focus resources as a web publisher (it owns TechCrunch, Engadget, Huffington Post and a number of other bloggy properties), and as a rich-media advertising network operator across those and third-party sites, with an increasing focus on ad-tech to improve how those ads are delivered and measured.

Yes, music properties could very much fit into that mix, but not without a lot of financial and strategic investment in them.

On the Microsoft side, the Windows giant has had its own setbacks in music (RIP Zune). But it has more recently thrown a lot of eggs into the Xbox Music basket, which works on the Xbox 360, Windows 8, Windows RT, Windows Phone 8,iOS and Android devices, offering free, ad-supported streaming, subscriptions, and downloaded music.

Where would Winamp or SHOUTcast fit into that mix? While I’m still trying to figure out what Microsoft would do with Winamp, Shoutcast has a platform that acts as a portal to over 50,000 radio stations. This could be one area that Microsoft might want to add to the Xbox Music platform, and which it currently lacks, to complement its Pandora-style personal radio feature.

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John Booty 5 years ago on 11/22/13
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I can't imagine much good coming from the Microsoft thing. Not that Microsoft is "evil" ...but corporations who buy applications rarely do anything interesting with them.
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nategri 5 years ago on 11/22/13
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My main beefs with iTunes:

a.) It takes about as long to start up as a cold boot of my Windows 7 install.

b.) Everything about it is slowwww.

c.) The user interface. (Just imagine this one has about a billion subpoints.)

d.) It likes to poll my floppy drive when it starts.

e.) I am not making d.) up it literally does this.

And I HAAAAATE that I have to negotiate through iTunes to add files to my iPad. That is some pretty Palm Hotsync-ass shit for 2013.
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seggs 5 years ago on 11/22/13
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i just paid for the winamp premium so i could rip cds.

i really REALLY like winamp because its such a bare bones program. it does what it does, does it well and doesnt try to shit up your experience with adds or features that try to do everything at once.
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Princess Shoujo Maiku 5 years ago on 11/23/13
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seggs said:
i just paid for the winamp premium so i could rip cds.


http://www.audiograbber.org/ is free and works awesome, and has some pretty nice features.
PS:
nategri said:

d.) It likes to poll my floppy drive when it starts.

e.) I am not making d.) up it literally does this.


Confirmed using my USB floppy drive
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John Booty 5 years ago on 11/24/13
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d.) It likes to poll my floppy drive when it starts.


Aha holy shit. That's terrible!

a.) It takes about as long to start up as a cold boot of my Windows 7 install.

b.) Everything about it is slowwww.


Anecdotally, it starts up nearly instantly for me on a couple of machines - a 2011 Macbook Pro and a Core 2 Duo PC. The 2011 MBP has 140GB of music.

That doesn't mean it's not slow for you, it just means it's curious. Both of my machines are SSD but I don't see iTunes doing much disk activity at launch.

c.) The user interface. (Just imagine this one has about a billion subpoints.)


Overall, I like it but even as a fan some of the things are baffling.
PS: Some of the aspects of the UI are baffling, I mean.
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Lord Not-To-Fucked-With 5 years ago on 11/25/13
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confirmed in baltimore too: itunes starts up slow

just doing my part
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nategri 5 years ago on 11/25/13
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I've got, for all the good it does me, RAIDed SSDs in my desktop rig and iTunes still gives nary a fuck about starting up quickly.

Just clocked it at 10-15 seconds to launch.

Spotify is beast but it's up in under 2.

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John Booty 5 years ago on 11/26/13
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That's so weird. That makes me think it's waiting on something network-related. Well, the cause doesn't matter much, the bottom line is that it's doing it and it sucks.
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Kumba 5 years ago on 11/30/13
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I am amused by the fact that Winamp's final version is 5.666.
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Fflewddur Fflam 5 years ago on 12/20/13
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Not so dead after all? Seems more of the rumor that Ulyth posted:

http://arstechnica.com/...hours-a-rumor-of-a-buyer-arises/
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Cognac Jack 5 years ago on 12/30/13
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I've used Winamp since the 6th grade. It's like I've lost a family member.
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GentlemanHobo 5 years ago on 01/04/14
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I guess there's always XMMS for a nostalgia trip? http://www.xmms.org/

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