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Fatty Talk “Growing your own” by Kirei the Klown

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Kirei the Klown 8 years ago on 04/08/14
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I'm excited to have some real garden space at our house, and we're planning a pallet garden (we have sunny spots, but most of that is in a narrow section of side lawn, so adding vertical planting is good!). So far I've planned to plant chard, space-saver cucumber, kale, and perhaps some herbs and maybe some strawberries (with a row of Alyssum flower for pest control). I'm hoping my mint plant, which grew from cuttings from a former coworked in DE, will come back after wintering in a cool part of the basement.

I'm also planting some sunflowers and I want to grow some sunflower greens (indoors) because I love them and can't seem to find them in any stores around here!

Do you have gardens of edible things? Do you have advice for n00bs like me? Go!
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Kirei the Klown 8 years ago on 04/08/14
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Worth noting: the sunflowers are not going in the pallet garden; they'd go in the ground somewhere in the yard.
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Barney Stinson 8 years ago on 04/08/14
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Thats so awesome! I have been telling myself for 3 years I would make DIY vertical gardens in my windows, and I still haven't done itttttt. I need to pick a weekend and just MAKE them. Problem is, my apartment doesn't get a lot of light and Paris can be overcast a lot. I need veggies that are okay in low light. :C
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marinasaurus rex 8 years ago on 04/13/14
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YAY GARDEN THREAD! I love to garden, a bunch of of my starts just came up, I've got several kinds of beans and peas, tomatoes, cilantro, basil, parsley, kale, melons, peppers, kiwanos, sunflowers, zucchini/summer squash and winter squash and a few pumpkins, I hope all my Musquee de Provence pumpkin seeds come up, they are the best!

I have a giant flat of greens growing in my greenhouse right now along with ground cherries I overwintered (that have giant ground cherries growing on them already) Out in the main garden I have kale, chard, pak choy, parsley, potatoes, bulb fennel, Egyptian/walking onions, rosemary, sage, thyme, lavender, motherwort, and artichokes! There are also a few berry bushes that are still establishing themselves in the ground and those are gooseberries and josta berries, someone also just gave me some currants too!

There are a bunch of fruit trees on my property too! Several kinds of pears, apples and plums, and also one peach tree! A big black walnut tree too.

Gavin you could probably pull off growing greens (salad, kale, broccoli, pak choy etc.) and basically all herbs, maybe even peas or beans or something too!
PS: also hella blackberry bushes but those are pretty rampant everywhere here, along with a bunch of different kinds of grapes!
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Barney Stinson 8 years ago on 04/13/14
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WTFFFF Marina! That is SO MUCH FOOD. That is awesome. I want a garden like THAT.
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Kirei the Klown 8 years ago on 04/14/14
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Oh SNAP Marina! I've always wanted to be a green-thumbed person, but so far I manage to kill all the indoor plants I've had; one outdoor plant that had survived was a mint plant I got from a coworker, and I might've killed that by letting it get too cold during the winter, but we'll see. The outdoor garden is a big step for me!

I've been toying with planting berry bushes out front where we removed a big pine that was too close to the house last fall. Been thinking currants or aronia. Are they difficult to establish?

On the indoor side, I got my sunflower seeds and they're currently soaking to start the sprouting process!
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marinasaurus rex 8 years ago on 04/15/14
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currants and aronia need pretty specific conditions, but given the right ones they will totally flourish! The josta and gooseberry got planted in a not so great place and they've been super slow to establish themselves, if they had been Awwwww! A few of my indoor plants suffered this last year from neglect but they're doing better now that I'm feeling up to dealing with them again (health stuff wahh) Berries can be pretty easy as long as they are in the right place/environment/have the right soil etc.. Mine need to get moved and put in a slightly more shaded area I think they'd do a lot better (I think they'll just get moved next year or maybe I'll plant a butterfly bush near them, I've been looking for an excuse to buy one of those neat rainbow ones)

Aronia and currants are some of the easier and less fussy berry bushes (way less than my gooseberry and josta), definitely! They just want lots of water and a protected area from frosts (close to a house would be good). I really want to get a honeyberry! And goji!

Mint is incredibly hardy, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it came back! (If you're super getting into gardening, you might look into building some little frost covers, or just throwing a sheet or something over stuff if it gets too gnarly out!)

I'll have to see if I have any seed saved, but when my next kale goes to seed, I'll save some and send them to both you guys! My mom has cultivated this kale for a long time and it's the most perfect tender leaf kale but it makes awesome broccolinis too!

I failed to mention the huge amount of flowers on the property too! So many roses, iris, Persian jewels, dahlias, hollyhocks, hyacinth, camellia, lilac, wisteria, dogwood, red hot pokers, daffodils and narcissus, and my favorite, THE VOODOO LILY (and probably others I'm forgetting about)

I've never soaked my sunflower seeds before planting! Mine have just come up fine planted into the little starter things (though I keep them in a warm place like the sunporch or greenhouse, I just bought a little seedling heating mat for like 20 bucks on Amazon though that I'm excited to start using!)

I'd love to see pics too of your new garden! And Gavin if you can show me where you are thinking about growing stuff I'd love to see it!

I'll take some pics of things I have going on around here too to post! :D YAY I'M SO EXCITED I will talk about gardening FOREVER
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Kirei the Klown 8 years ago on 04/22/14
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So, I got my pallet gardens all cleaned and then stapled burlap to the backs and 3 sides (double layered), BUT after putting a back of potting soil into one of them I found the burlap was bowing in the back. I couldn't find plastic net reinforcement at the hardware store, but fortunately the previous homeowners at our place left a mess of long gardening stakes that I nailed up on the back of the empty pallet (5 running perpendicular to the pallet boards), then dumped the soil from the one pallet into the reinfroced one, and it seems fine! I just need to reinforce the other, then I should be able to fill it with soil and get planting!

My sunflower sprouts are almost all grown, too! Well, a bunch of them. Some sprouted more slowly, so the tall ones should get harvested quite soon. I'm hoping to transplant a couple to outside because I really want to see if they will make viable plants.

I also sprung for some strawberry plants just for the heck of it, and I had space. I broke down and bought a mint plant, because I don't think the other one's coming back. We also got a tomato plant for a container on the deck (we had one the summer before we left Green Bay and it did pretty well!)

marinasaurus rex said:
I'll have to see if I have any seed saved, but when my next kale goes to seed, I'll save some and send them to both you guys! My mom has cultivated this kale for a long time and it's the most perfect tender leaf kale but it makes awesome broccolinis too!


I'd love some kale seeds, Marina! :D

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fukkake 8 years ago on 04/23/14
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John and I now have a TON of space for a garden. We would LOVE to grow the following:

Tomatoes
Cucumbers
Peppers
Zucchini

In a separate bed we want to grow herbs:

Basil
Parsley
Oregano

I don't know what kind of light any of them need. The bed for the veggies has half sun and half shade. The bed for the herbs has a lot of sun. Would that be OK?
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Kirei the Klown 8 years ago on 04/23/14
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Steph, from everything i read, it seems like EVERY food-producing plant wants full sun - 8 hours daily. But, they can be grown in varying sunlight levels, so long as they get some direct sun, with varying results, as they will grow to maximize their sun exposure. Seed packets for the variety you want to plant can give you more info, since different varieties can have different requirements.

I think sometimes you just have to give it a shot and see what happens. :)
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Creepy Stalker 8 years ago on 04/23/14
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marinasaurus rex 8 years ago on 04/23/14
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ok so Steph, my mom and I talked about your garden bed situation and all those vegetables you posted want LOTS of sun, not partial sun, is it possible to switch the beds and put the herbs in the half sun half shade bed, and the veggies in the full sun bed?

Things like herbs, peas, greens etc want the warmth but they need the shade (thus the half shade/half sun bed should be waaaay better for them)

Also think about companion gardening (like plant the tomatoes and then the basil under/near the tomatoes so it gets shaded etc)

http://...organicgardening.com/...-grow/companion-planting

here is a link to learn more about companion gardening!

Also what kind of beds are you doing? Just plain raised? Have you heard at all about hugelkultur?

There is one bed that some WOOFERS that were staying with us did, it's really great, it's not raised though it is dug into the ground instead! (you basically mimic nature by putting lots of compost, bark, sticks, logs etc with other things and cover it, let it decompose and stuff, it keeps the bed from drying out an insane amount and makes the dirt really nice!

http://permaculture.co.uk/...scale-hugelkultur-raised-beds

This is my next big gardening project is to make a keyhole garden bed! They look ideal for basically everything. People on the mountains of Africa can grow all kinds of stuff (where water is super scarce)

http://...texascooppower.com/...outdoors/keyhole-gardening
PS: ALSO BOTH OF YOU I WANT PICS AND I'LL TAKE PICS ALSO I so want to see your pallet garden Kieri and your new yard Steph!!

Also things like the cucumbers will need more water than say, the tomatoes (which if you over water, will start to split) so try and plant things together that you know will need more water, less etc.
PS: I also just finished building a thing for my beans to grow on. My peas totally bit it, it got SUPER hot and sunny out the last few days and they weren't able to establish themselves >_< plus it's basically summer anyways
PS: oh oops also I posted the wrong link for companion gardening!

http://...almanac.com/...nt/plant-companions-friend-or-foe
PS: http://www.inspirationgreen.com/keyhole-gardens.html

also THIS is a really neat page about keyhole gardens and has a bunch of different examples of how people make them!
PS: http://...almanac.com/...anions-list-ten-common-vegetables

this is the ACTUAL list of companion planting from the almanac website, there is an obscure link on there but just in case you can't find it, here it is again!
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Kirei the Klown 8 years ago on 04/24/14
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The hugelkultur is new to me, but fascinating. I wonder if I can use some of my tree waste from this last winter (downed branches, mostly) and put some in the in-ground bed on the south side of the house, and/or the low raised bed next to the garage that really needs an overhaul. At the least it's a neat way of using something I'd otherwise just toss on the curb in a yard waste bag.
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the.avidpedestrian 8 years ago on 04/26/14
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I'm so excited! My dad and I grew some zucchini and tomatoes last summer, and they were great, and I don't even like tomato that much outside of pasta sauce. Our house faces almost exactly east-west, and we planted on the south side of our house; in the summer, that side gets about 9-10 hours of direct sun.

We (my grandmother, my dad and I) rent from my grandmother's brother, and he bought the empty lot behind our house where the city tore down an abandoned house. My uncle came over yesterday, and we talked about doing a fence because people keep parking on the lot, as it fronts onto an alley. Back to the "really excited" bit--because we are going to put up a fence, my dad and I decided we are going to expand our little garden. The lot gets like the MAXIMUM hours of sun possible at this latitude in summer, so I want to do strawberries, some different kinds of greens, asparagus, and possibly grapes (if I can get some starts from my MOM's aunt), in addition to the tomatoes and zucchini. My dad wants pumpkins, lol.

For pest control, I was thinking mint, marigolds and garlic? Any other suggestions from you more experienced gardeners?

Also, what are these "ground cherries?" I love cherries, and I don't plan to live in my grandmother's attic long enough to wait for a tree to produce fruit, lol.
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Princess Shoujo Maiku 8 years ago on 04/28/14
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I just started our garden. We haven't done it over the past 2 years, the soil was still super shitty from Sandy.

Tons of tomatoes, including alleged Heinz strains of plants and San Marzanos, and lets not forget cherry tomatoes cause jesus snacking is fun.

Also got Habaneros that if they take off I'm going to make a sauce, and Jalapenos i'm turning into poppers

Also did peas, beans, sweet corn, squash, cucumber, and zucchini. I bought a package of watermelon seeds, to see if they grow. If not, welp, it was only two bucks worth of seeds!

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Princess Shoujo Maiku 8 years ago on 04/28/14
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and after its all in the ground!


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Kirei the Klown 8 years ago on 04/29/14
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I finished filling the pallets with soil, watered them down, and planted the seeds for chard, kale, and alyssum flower, and popped the strawberry plants in too. I really have no goddamn idea what I was doing and may have overseeded, since alyssum has teensy seeds, as does the kale (like, mustard sized) and seeding instructions didn't mention anything about only one seed, or multiple seeds, or what, whereas the chard was very specific. I hope they germinate alright. We've got mint and tomatoes in containers and they're doing well so far, despite one tomato plant being partially uprooted by a curious toddler.

I still have to fix my outdoor faucet, though, because the vacuum breaker cap is leaking, and there is also water leaking from the handle - but only when it's on, so at least the frost-free extension piece seems to work properly. Still, ugh.

the.avidpedestrian said:
Also, what are these "ground cherries?" I love cherries, and I don't plan to live in my grandmother's attic long enough to wait for a tree to produce fruit, lol.


Also known as gooseberries or cape gooseberries. They grow on bushes and have papery husks; I used to see them at the Green Bay farmer's market alot. I've tried them, and they're sweet and mild with a little tartness, and a lot of teeny seeds.

PS: The kale is sprouting! So is the alyssum flower. i just put sunflower sprouts that have taken off outside too to see what becomes of them. Whee plants!
PS: Now I see teeny baby chard sprouts coming up! XD
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jennyfur 8 years ago on 05/09/14
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I upgraded from my small container garden to a raised bed with drip irrigation this year. I'm still using the containers as well, though I'm waiting to install the irrigation until after the landscaping project a contractor is doing in my yard is finished.

In my head the square footage was more than I actually had, so I ended up miscalculating the amount of plants to buy haha. Right now I've got a bunch that I have nowhere to put and therefore will probably die. :(
But I used this site and it's pretty awesome:
http://www.smartgardener.com/

So Steph, if you want some cilantro, parsley, zucchini, yellow squash or chives, I've got extra just sitting unplanted on my porch.

What I actually did manage to plant already includes:
tomatoes
string beans
cilantro
basil
chives
rosemary
parsley
kale
spinach
spring mix lettuce
romaine
endive
arugula
spaghetti squash
tarragon

Everything from the parsley down is a new endeavor for this year that I have no expectation will actually thrive. I'm kinda just winging it, and a couple items failed last year due to the intense heat of the summer (the string beans, zucchini and yellow squash... all but one of which isn't planted right now). One of my old containers has some annual (perennial?) stuff that I just let do its own thing each year instead of planting anything new. So strawberries and mint appear to be growing in that. Mojitos wut!

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jennyfur 8 years ago on 05/09/14
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Hopefully will be able to replace the containers with a second raised bed next year.

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fukkake 8 years ago on 05/15/14
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I just saw this ...and are they still alive? I will come over and take them from you this weekend! I don't want those little guys to go to waste. Plus we can share in our bounty with each other.

Tomato plants are going in this weekend along with red sweet peppers.

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